How much more are British Gas charging, because of where you live?
By Value hunter on Mar 28, 2011 | In In real life, In the home, Bad business, Frugal wars, Quango watch | Send feedback »
British gas are charging customers differently, depending which area of the UK customers live in.
Billing and meter staff admit to this without exception, british gas' own website states this when a customer checks individual tariff charges. So why does nobody at british gas know exactly how they get to the price they are charging?
Is the area charge decided by the way each unit (kWh) is calculated?
Definately not.
Each customer is charged for gas based on a kilowatt hour (kWh) - the formula for working this out contains four variables, that only differs week to week, on a national average:
M3 (1 metric unit on your meter)Â x 1.02264 (VCF) x Calorific value (CV) divided by 3.6 = kWh
M3 - This is one unit on your meter and does not vary.
VCF - The volume conversion factor, is an industry constant, to allow for temperature and pressure of gas differing at each household's meter. The figure used in the kWh formula does not change.
CV - The calorific value is worked out by taking two readings each week, from two testing stations, one near Middlesbrough, one near Birmingham.
The lowest reading from either of the two stations is used, added to the previous 12 lowest readings (from the testing stations) and a 13 week average CV is calculated.
I have checked with friends in various areas of the UK, that their calorific value is the same as mine - option 16 on your smart meter - and it is constant, there can be no difference in area here.
Is the different area charge arrived at by different tariff/tier prices?
Definately not!
A third level british gas billing manager attempted to explain that the tier price (a customer's unit price minus VAT) will be different, depending on which area of the country they live in.
With the help of friends, I have checked this also and found it to be constant throughout the UK.
To check this, the billing manager entered his own postcode into british gas' pricing system and was shocked to find that the tier price in Scotland, is the same tier price as Lancashire, is the same price as London, etc, for each tariff.
The only difference in price was obviously for differing tariffs - online only, prepayment, standard billing, etc. - He admitted that he now had absolutely no idea how different charges were arrived at by british gas!
British gas charging different prices depending on areas, is not being calculated in the per unit (kWh) formula, nor is it being calculated in the tier price/tariff pricing structure, so how exactly do british gas arrive at different charges for different areas of the country?
I asked the third level billing manager, could it be the case that british gas don't always charge different prices to people in different areas of the country?
He was adamant that different prices are ALWAYS charged to british gas customers in different areas of the country.
It was suggested by other british gas billing staff that they can only enter a postcode and their computer systems automatically calculate charges for different areas of the UK.
So, if british gas staff and british gas' website are to be believed, energy customers are paying a price for energy that cannot be worked out, is being deliberately hidden from customer's bills and statements and is not being monitored by OFGEM and other so called energy regulators.
I cannot name one other product or business that is allowed to charge a price that cannot be known or calculated, which is hidden from the customer. This is a clear misrepresentation at the point of sale.
We could be paying £40 more than another area of the UK, we could be paying £200 more, we will never know. British gas staff don't know.
This joke of a situation cannot be allowed to continue!
UPDATE:
British gas via twitter, have now released their own data, showing what gas/electricity is used per town/city - the first energy company to do so!
It is posted via the Guardian's website: British gas map of customers and energy supplied (Link opens a new browser window)
Sadly this is still not an answer to the question we asked, which is, how does british gas calculate it's different prices per area?
The Financial Ombudsman Service is a failure!
By Value hunter on Mar 18, 2011 | In Money chat, Bad business, What is the point?, Quango watch | Send feedback »
I have currently one case awaiting an ombudsman to pick up and rule upon. The Financial Ombudsman Service (FOS) have had this for well over a year now.
My last communication with them was by telephone, since October 2010 (It's now March 2011), it has been sat on a desk waiting to be looked at. In January 2011 the FOS informed me that they are being burdened with thousands of new cases, that also would have to wait considerable time to be decided upon.
Today I received a letter from the FOS, that stated it was, "To keep you updated about your complaint"
It started by stating the following;
"You maybe aware from press reports that in October 2010 the British Bankers Association (BBA) - on behalf of a number of high street banks - filed papers in the High Court requesting a judicial review of the Financial Services Authority (FSA) and Financial Ombudsman Service.
The legal challenge relates to the FSA's new payment protection insurance (PPI) complaints handling procedure.
The judicial review took place in the High Court in London during the week beginning Monday 24th January 2011.
It is likely to be a number of weeks before an outcome is known. At this stage I have no more information about the outcome or possible consequences."
The FOS have had my complaint 7 months before any judicial review was put forward, so why don't they apply the existing LAWS and award on this basis?
The letter continues;
"We are continuing to deal with PPI complaints and are now receiving more than 2500 cases each week. Hoever, the approach of some businesses is affecting our ability to process cases and means the rate at which we can settle all complaints is now slowing down.
I realise your complaint has been with us some time and I'm sorry we have not been able to settle your case before now. While I am not able to give you a timeframe at this stage, I'm afraid some cases are likely to take over a year from this point to be resolved - depending on when and how the legal action is concluded."
Another year? Ridiculous!
Still taking on complaints? What is the point?
If businesses are delaying cases being ruled upon, then give them 28 days to defend in writing, if they fail to do this then rule against them?
They will soon stop pushing boundaries to protect their money and reply in a much more speedy fashion?
That the Financial Ombudsman Service is now advising people with complaints that the process and an outcome could take a year, even for cases that have been waiting for over a year already, is a complete farce and not good enough!
British gas' formula used to calculate gas bills
By Value hunter on Mar 16, 2011 | In In real life, Money chat, Quango watch | 2 feedbacks »
After many requests for the formula used by British gas, to work out the amount of money they charge me for gas, I have finally managed to get hold of a copy of what British gas staff are using to calculate and check billing amounts and the figures required for the calculation formula.
It looks complicated, but it's really quite simple once you read through it a couple of times.
Step 1:
Work out how many units the customer has used, since their last bill.
Present reading minus previous reading = number of units used.
(HCF = Imperial units, M3 = Metric units)
Step 2:
Convert imperial units into metric units.
If customer has imperial meter (HCF) then multiply imperial units by 2.83 = Metric units (M3)
If customer has a metric meter (M3) then skip to step 3.
Step 3:
Convert units used on meter to kWh (Kilowatts per hour) - this is the formula British gas use to convert.
M3 x 1.02264 (VCF) x Calorific Value (CV) divided by 3.6 = kWh (kilowatts per hour)
* For Calorific value (CV) on metric meters, press Button A and skip to menu option 16, this will give you the calorific value (this changes every week, normally on Wednesdays at 2am) being used that week.
Once you have the calorific reading, convert this into BTU's - British Thermal Units - by dividing the CV number on your meter by 0.0373 - use this figure in the formula above.
If you have an old imperial meter, then ring British gas and INSIST that they tell you the calorific value being used for that week.
Step 4:
Next we need to work out which kWh are charged at tier 1 and which at tier 2 (Or "unit price 1" and "unit price 2" on your statement/bill, without VAT added)
The tier prices can be found on the British gas pricing website here, they are different from your statement/bill "unit prices" as the tier prices quoted online don't include VAT at 5% (Which we will add on to the total of the bill at the end).
Tier 1 is charged for the first 7.34 kWh per day, all other kWh is charged at tier 2.
Number of days the bill covers x 7.34 = Number of kWh to be charged at tier 1 rate.
Total number of kWh - Number of kWh to be charged at tier 1 rate = Number of kWh to be charged at tier 2.
Step 5:
Calculate the bill.
Tier 1 kWh x tier 1 tariff rate (found on pricing website) = Cost of gas used at tier 1
Tier 2 kWh x tier 2 tariff rate (found on pricing website) =Cost of gas used at tier 2
Add them both together to get the total cost of gas.
*NOTE - This total EXCLUDES VAT.
Step 6:
Add VAT.
Domestic gas customers pay VAT at 5%.
Total bill = Total cost of gas + 5%
* Important notes:
- When working out your gas bill, don't forget to take off any payments/credits you have on.
These credits/payments would be knocked off after you complete step 5.
- The calorific value (CV) used to convert each meter unit to kWh is calculated as follows;
"Gas supplied to customer's homes is passed through a testing station where the calorimeter measurements are recorded.
There are two stations, located at Elton, near Middlesbrough and Halton in the East Midlands. Either station can be used to take the measurements although one station recordings may have a higher Calorific Value than the other. We have provided an undertaking to the Department of Trade and Industry that the lower calorific value will always be used when calculating gas bills.
A British/Scottish Gas representative records the readings given by the calorimeters every Thursday.
These readings are then used to determine the value we will use on bills to be produced the following week. This is done by calculating a rolling average, using each of the previous thirteen weeks lowest recorded values from the calorimeters"
- This process is the same regardless of your british gas tariff, it's a universal process which changes weekly due to the calorific value (CV) readings. As you will see, this means that nobody benefits from a "set price" for their gas.
The other difference in price comes from the "Tier price" which varies dependant on which tariff you are on. Your tier prices can be found on the British gas pricing website.
I have tested tier prices with the help of friends of the website around the country, for prepayment gas tier prices, they all came in exactly the same.
Car insurance firms passing on details of people involved in crashes to claims companies
By Value hunter on Mar 11, 2011 | In In real life, Money chat, Bad business, Frugal wars, Quango watch | Send feedback »
Once again, another report/study into the money lavished industry of car insurance has revealed that customers are being exploited and lied to, by the companies that are supposedly there to protect them!
A report from the Transport Select Committee (Read the news story about it here) found that car insurance companies are receiving "Paid referral" fees, when the accident victim's details are passed to solicitors and the victim makes a compensation claim.
The Association of British Insurers (ABI) disagrees, blaming the "Compensation culture" for pushing up the price of people's premiums and legal costs.
"The [select] committee has failed to recognise that the main cause of the recent increases in motor insurance premiums is ever-increasing personal claims and spiralling legal costs," said Nick Starling from the Association of British Insurers (ABI).
The ABI said the rise in legal costs had added £40 a year to average motor premiums.
A crazy idea... Does the ABI not realise, that if its members (the insurance companies) didn't sell on customer details when they have had an accident and receive referral fees for doing so, there would be far fewer claims for compensation, hence lower premiums for everyone?
As for the claims by the ABI that rises in legal costs have added £40 a year to average premiums, utter rubbish!
They maybe able to explain £40 of increases in my premiums, now ABI, try explaining away the other £400 INCREASE that I had to pay for 2010/2011?
I've been told various excuses for over charging;
- "We've just had a record bad winter!"
- "We have had a lot more claims over the past few months"
- "Every insurance company is doing the same as us"
- "You don't have anymore no claims bonus to take into account"
All of course, are complete tripe!
No mention of the disappearing aspects of my "fully comprehensive" policy - like no longer being able to drive any other vehicle, courtesy car, etc.
Add to this, an increase in the excess from £150 to £250, a major part of my policy for which 28 days notice in writing should be given, by law!
The motor insurance industry are awash with profits from the pockets of their customers.
The passing on of customer's details after they have been involved in accidents, to compensation companies is a disgraceful act. Could it be in breach of the Data Protection Act?
Factor in that motor insurance companies do not check any claims for less than £1000, regardless if fraud is taking place, as most insurance companies have private agreements in place with each other (competition commission should be investigating this) and there is a growing case for official intervention and regulation of the insurance industry.
Those in power are supposed to be looking out for the public's interests.
Regulation is failing and it's us, the ordinary people who are facing continuously higher premiums (for a legal requirement) as the insurance industry make up and fantasise about what is causing the increases.
Something has got to give.... and soon!
The road to being frugal - Shopping
By Value hunter on Mar 3, 2011 | In In real life, Money chat, Common sense, In the home, Frugal wars, Frugal thinking, Thrifty shopping | 1 feedback »
Being frugal, thrifty, etc, is a process of working out what is right for you, getting there is not a new found wonder or a be all and end all way of life.
It's about doing what is right for you and your family. It has many twists and turns.
I'll be posting here some things that I have found useful in becoming more frugal and changing the way my family approach things, this post is about frugal shopping. I hope it helps.
Question everything - I always question the way I do things, the way I spend/save money, the way I pay bills, the way I shop, etc.
Could I have saved some money whilst achieving what I set out to do?
Will it benefit my home, family, etc?
Is there a more healthy option?
I worked out the time I spent shopping in the supermarket. For one and a half hours every weekend I would trundle a trolley around with the rest of the sheep. I don't despise companies making profits, but making excessive profits at my family's expense I find disgusting.
I noticed that the meat I was buying from supermarkets, would often turn, despite being kept in the fridge, so would have to be eaten say before the following Thursday, otherwise it was binned.
Similar pattern emerged with fruit and vegetables. Out of a tub of eight tangerines, sometimes I'd be throwing two away come the following wednesday, normally when I grabbed one on my way out of the door and discovered it was mouldy underneath. Was there another way?
A way to shop for "fresh" fruit, veg and meat, that wouldn't turn within a few days?
One weekend, I nipped into a local farm butchers on my way to pick up some fruit and veg at a local market.
Not only was their meat fresher, I also got more of it. For the princely sum of £22, I managed to get three prime cuts of meat, plus a block of locally produced cheese.
A welcomed surprise came the following week, when thinking I needed to throw away last weeks chicken fillets, I washed them and found them to still be in great condition.
How could the local meat be lasting longer than supermarket meat?
How could it be cheaper?
As if I needed another reason to stop buying meat at supermarkets, one popped up and bit me on the snout... the local farm butchers buying, the waste was one carrier bag and three small plastic bags - the supermarket waste was three plastic tubs, a carrier bag and more expense. I haven't looked back, it's been over two years now since I have bought meat from a supermarket. I eat more meat than ever and it's always fresh and cut to how I want it. I buy locally made korma sauces from them, cheese, bacon, some pies, etc.
Supermarkets no longer make big profits at my family's expense.
From the butchers, I drove another 10 minutes to the town further down the road. I visited the outside market and picked up £15 worth of fresh fruit and vegetables. I filled four carrier bags, with plums, bananas, rhubarb, apples, oranges, tangerines (satsumas), mushrooms, beetroot, spring onions, tomatoes, lettuce, cucumber, broccoli, carrots and a half a carrier bag full of king edward potatoes.
All fresh, all without masses of packaging, all cheaper than at the supermarket. Not a single piece of fruit and veg turned within a few days, none were rotten underneath, no plastic tubs to dispose of, etc.
I packed them all in the boot and drove home. Time taken, 45 minutes. Cheaper, fresher, less waste and now quicker than shopping at a supermarket. With the added benefit, that when I did walk into a supermarket, I can cut out all the fruit, vegetables and meat sections, which make up more than a third of the store, without being tempted to pick up any little extras. I have escaped some of their marketing techniques!
Alternatives to supermarket shopping for other things - Now I was empowered with buying things faster and cheaper elsewhere, I began to look for other things we normally purchased for the family/house/garden that could be bought cheaper than at the supermarket. It didn't take long to find them!
I walk through an inside market on the way to get my fruit and veg from an outdoor market. In there they have a stall selling toiletries.
The vosene that two of the family use, had just seen a price rise and smaller bottle being brought in at supermarkets tesco and asda. The market stall was a little bit cheaper per bottle, plus they were the older size which contained more shampoo.
I happen to ask one day, how much discount if I was to buy 10 bottles of vosene? The stall holder knocked off 10p per bottle. I was now getting it cheaper still and more of it!
I applied this to the soap we use, yep you guessed it, cheaper as well.
When the stall started selling baby milk formula - 50p cheaper than supermarkets - baby food jars at 10 for £5 (10 for £6 at asda) we started to see significant savings.
I was a tad pleased that the more I looked and asked around, the less supermarkets got of our money, I was now missing out whole aisles when I did visit the supermarket, as I simply didn't need them for many products that we buy every week/month.
It suddenly dawned on me, that being frugal and keeping more of my own money in my family's coffers, was about having a choice!
Supermaket's only want their customers to have one choice, either an expensive over priced branded product, or their own brand product, which now had the price that the branded version should have been.
This opportunity opened the door for a new favourite of mine... "Offer raiding"
Imagine shopping in a supermarket for just offers, in our local tescos, Wednesday and Saturday evenings are best, as this is when offers go on to gondola ends and 3 for 2s appear.
Latest offers I picked up for example - 3 for 2 on catsan cat litter (individual price has gone up from £4.25 to £5.30 in last couple of months) the 3 for 2 worked out at £3.55 a bag, so I picked up six bags. Four days later the offer had been removed. Weekend shoppers didn't even see the offer. (The same thing happened with six tin packs of whiskas cat meat and their 3 for 2 offer)
Tinned tomatoes was another example, priced artificially high at just under a pound a tin, late night offer raiding, I picked up eight tins of chopped tomatoes for 50p per tin.
Buying like this, allows yet more money to be saved, as the prospect of going without a weekly bought product as you loathe paying an obviously inflated high price, is an almost weekly battle with your own conscience, supermarkets play on this. Buying not so much in bulk, but in quantity that can allow you to have the item available in your cupboard and save money on it, until the next "sale" comes around, is another little victory.
I'd wager many of you reading this, have also experienced the cost to your pockets, when you nip into the supermarket mid week because you have run out of something?
I've been told about how someone just nipped in for some milk and ended up spending £20-£30 - it's a supermarket marketing trap, which is why the popular items are always at the back of the store!
Need a tradesman? Get to know your neighbours!
Shopping around for tradesmen is a nightmare. Wether it's a plumber, builder, roofer, etc.
Who is good, reputable, safe?
THE best "price comparison" way, is not through some backroom funded website, it starts with your neighbours!
Allowing for the occasional neighbour, who is out to make money off the back of anyone and everyone, the majority are able to recommend someone who has done a job for them in the recent past.
This also helps you, as if they need a lift with something or a skill that you have, you can do favours for them and in return they help you out.
I needed some topsoil for my garden. A good neighbour of mine wanted to lay some stone flags but didn't have the means to get them to his house. A couple of hours later, he had the flags in his garden, a couple more hours later and I had three tonnes of topsoil, unwanted in his garden, in my vegetable beds. It cost neither of us a penny piece. Now that's what I call frugal!










